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(06-01-2017, 01:09 AM)Jennifer Wrote: James... Sad *cyber hug*

I know you feel hopeless, but let's keep plugging away at this, okay? 

I suspect the reason you were able to sleep last month but not currently is because you stopped taking the progesterone. Out of curiosity, have you ever tried pregnenolone instead? Your lack of sex drive does seem normal to me given your sleep deficit and depression, but I can't help but wonder what the effects on a young male's sex hormones are when he takes progesterone for a period of time. I just remember reading where Ray cautioned against its use for men under the age of 60, I believe it was. I certainly think you getting sleep is extremely important, but I also don't want you to feel discouraged if you've been able to sleep but not see an improvement with your sex drive, you know? This brings me to blood work...

The reason I asked if you had any recent blood work is because you may be driving one or more of your levels up/down and this could be contributing to your current issues. Back when I was taking thyroid, I began having really bad adrenaline symptoms and depression. Blood work showed my once normal cholesterol level had dropped too low and Ray told me "When your cholesterol is so low, your body can't respond fully to a thyroid supplement. Thyroid should cause the conversion of cholesterol to pregnenolone, progesterone, DHEA, and the other neurosteroids, but when cholesterol is too low it just increases stress hormones instead." As soon as I dropped the thyroid, the adrenaline symptoms away.

One thing you could try if you haven't already done so is to keep some juice by your bedside for when you wake at night. This helped both my mum and I fall back to sleep when we would wake during the night from stress hormones.

Progesterone definitely causes me man problems, even in minute doses.
[color=#222222][size=medium]"I have no religion, no political affiliation: I believe in me, above everything else." -Chasing Good & Evil[/size][/color]
(05-30-2017, 11:02 PM)James_001 Wrote: Oh, I am also taking25 mcg of t3 throughout the day and a quarter of a cynoplus tab at night. I wish there was an instruction manual to my body. I have no idea if the thyroid is doing anything and I don't know if I should drop it or take more or do nothing. My pulse and temps don't change anyways in a consistent way.

In the past when I have taken a lot of thryoid and jacked my pulse up I still felt awful so I don't think that metric is meaningful for me.

I think the easiest way to tell if thyroid is working, is to take a break from it for at least a week. The one caveat being that you can experience withdrawal symptoms, similar to going off of coffee. I think that thyroid causes toxins to be released at a faster rate, and also helps accelerate the bowels, but when you stop the thyroid, there remains a larger than normal backlog of toxins that were released by thyroid, but not yet pooped out yet. In my experience, once your body clears any toxins released by thyroid or caffeine you then experience the increased temp/pulse, along with a reduction in hypothyroid symptoms, that those supplements were pushing your body towards, but which bowel toxins inhibit, making progress unrealized until after taking a break.

I think that if you aren't experiencing many side effects you can also just push through with thyroid or caffeine which is what I experienced the first time I was hypothyroid. However, after taking DMSO, and becoming severely hypothyroid as a result, thyroid and caffeine would usually increase my adrenaline, and result in me coming down with a flu if I went more than a week without taking activated charcoal. This happened consistently, in direct response to my caffeine or thyroid intake, making a break necessary for me to really notice improvements. Overtime, it felt like there were less and less toxins being released, and I began to experience immediate benefits from thyroid or caffeine(relaxation, better mood, increased productivity, ect), whereas initially the overall metabolic benefits were not as clear and mainly realized upon taking breaks.
"The true method of knowledge is experiment." -William Blake
(06-01-2017, 01:09 AM)Jennifer Wrote: James... Sad *cyber hug*

I know you feel hopeless, but let's keep plugging away at this, okay? 

I suspect the reason you were able to sleep last month but not currently is because you stopped taking the progesterone. Out of curiosity, have you ever tried pregnenolone instead? Your lack of sex drive does seem normal to me given your sleep deficit and depression, but I can't help but wonder what the effects on a young male's sex hormones are when he takes progesterone for a period of time. I just remember reading where Ray cautioned against its use for men under the age of 60, I believe it was. I certainly think you getting sleep is extremely important, but I also don't want you to feel discouraged if you've been able to sleep but not see an improvement with your sex drive, you know? This brings me to blood work...

The reason I asked if you had any recent blood work is because you may be driving one or more of your levels up/down and this could be contributing to your current issues. Back when I was taking thyroid, I began having really bad adrenaline symptoms and depression. Blood work showed my once normal cholesterol level had dropped too low and Ray told me "When your cholesterol is so low, your body can't respond fully to a thyroid supplement. Thyroid should cause the conversion of cholesterol to pregnenolone, progesterone, DHEA, and the other neurosteroids, but when cholesterol is too low it just increases stress hormones instead." As soon as I dropped the thyroid, the adrenaline symptoms away.

One thing you could try if you haven't already done so is to keep some juice by your bedside for when you wake at night. This helped both my mum and I fall back to sleep when we would wake during the night from stress hormones.
Thanks Jenn,

I agree with the possibility that progesterone isn't doing me any good, however I didn't have a libido before I started using progesterone either so I don't think its effecting that much. 

At this point I've basically given up, I still eat the diet but I don't expect my life to get any better ever. 

I see, well I eat a ton of sugar so I don't really see how my cholesterol could be low. I've never checked though....
Okay. Gotcha! 

I mentioned low cholesterol just as an example of how the thyroid supplement might be driving one of your levels up or down too much. You could very well have good cholesterol levels but if you're able to, it may help to get some blood work just to be sure that nothing is out of whack. 

I understand you not thinking your life will ever get better. I was thinking that at the 3 year mark, too. I was thinking that up until January of last year, actually. On my bad days I still think that. lol 

There's no denying I'm not yet where I want to be, but I've come so far from where I was. Just imagine a 27 year old sitting in a puddle of her own urine due to many failed attempts at trying to walk again. I went from dancing and hiking multiple mountains in a day to that. 

Fast forward to today and I now have my balance and flexibility back and can run, do pirouettes, standing splits etc. I'm still working on straightening out my spine and regaining the entire 3.5" of height that I lost, but I'm getting there. 

When I was still relearning how to walk and my doctors and specialists were telling me I shouldn't expect to get any better, my dad sent me this video....

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=qX9FSZJu448

I'm optomistic that you'll prove yourself wrong, James.  Heart
"One regret, my dear world, that I am determined not to have when I am lying on my deathbed is that I did not kiss you enough." ~ Hafiz
I hope James is doing ok. He never came back here since then. I think I am going to let this message here to kinda show him that there are people that really want him to feel better.
I empathize with him, a lot. When I was very depressed in the past, I remember having this type of thoughts every single second.
I think I can blame SSRIs for the depression and, especially, the suicidal thoughts. But I was not eating well too, so it could also have affected me - I've read a couple of times that when certain people remove gluten, their depression disappears.

As Zachs says, it's the depression talking. But hey, I'm just like you, there are days, geez, my mind is so negatively rigged that I just watch TV or play Tetris (Chris Masterjohn is right about shifting our attention). Seriously, so repetitive about useless shit that transform me into a sour person when I am with other people. I try to endure it, because I know this is not "me", so to speak. I also now, try to always learn what caused me this mood swing all of a sudden.
I think it is important to recognize how our thoughts may be corrupted or pessimistic and realize they are just thoughts. Be aware. You don't need to follow them.

I remember when I was giving up after tried so many brands of SSRIs and all type of different medications. Every night, before falling asleep, planning how to suicide. But I never did. I actually tried, but on the moment of the truth, I was afraid of doing. Not only because I could survive and create damage forever, but also because it didn't make sense.
And man, when I started doing some research and understanding that Health & Nutrition is so complicated, you don't imagine how much hope it gave to me. I always thought the SSRIs was the only way to solve my issues, imagine that!
So here I am. In my journey. Trying to enjoy the ride while I still can.

As Einstein once said: "Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."

There are also so many things you still didn't try, so many different approaches... Just don't give up on the first one, seriously.
@9e10,

Thank you for the kind words. the thing is, there is nothing left to try. I've been on a bunch of diets and this is the one that has worked the best for me so far. I've had times where I felt like I was almost back to normal, but then I ended up getting worse again for no reason. I hat the fact that I have people who would be upset if I died, they are the only reason I haven't killed myself yet.
If anyone is still reading this I'm still sick.
  
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