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What i have done to cure hypo and stay lean.
#21
Really interesting to read this,as I have come to
many of the same conclusions as you. And oddly enough, our bodies look very similar, even down to the tattoos!
Quick question. When you say you fast, you
mean abstaining from solid food? Since sipping on cream and syrup would not be considered true fasting.
#22
(11-21-2016, 02:58 AM)Zachs Wrote: So quick back story, i lost about 45lbs in 4 months doing a zero fat diet.  i basically cleared pufa from my tissues and almost overnight raised metabolism.  after that i found Edwards blog and also read Westin Price book Nutrition and Physical Degeneration (a must read btw) and started an experiment of utilizing saturated fat as a main source of energy.  did that for a few months and liked it, gaining mass without fat gain.  but i did a few things wrong that i now see, mainly using too much coffee and chocolate, i am a slow metabolizer of stimulants.  after that i did another quick attempt at zero fat but i didnt enjoy it nearly as much, i dont feel it is an optimal diet at least for a lean person of northern european descent.

I have read some of your posts on the other forum, it sounds like you did very well on high carbs and starch very low fat diet, then out of the blue you decided to switch to a high fat / saturated fat diet (after all it's more appealing), and say you couldn't return to a no fat diet with a quick attempt. This all makes sense since the body will adapt to using fats as its main source of energy so you can't expect to do well on very low fat in a very short time frame.
Intermittent fasting  may decrease testosterone and t3(https://translational-medicine.biomedcen...016-1044-0), while skyrocketing growth hormone. The latter part could  explain the ease to build muscles however your way of doing IF may be different since you say you use some food  throughout the "fast" and report warm body temperature and decent pulse.
Pretty sure Ray has explained his views on the problems of burning fat as fuel (e.g. less Co2 is generated), of course that doesn't mean it shouldn't be followed, but he mentioned negative effects would mostly be felt after years. Similarly a lot of people seem to be doing great on IF at the start .

Here is a post you made on your first really successful diet (correct me if I'm wrong):
Quote:My experience is similar others here. Im 31 now, starting focusing on health and diet around 24, found Paleo, got brainwashed and watched my health deteriorate for the next 6 years or so. At the lowest i had zero ability to orgasm and maintain an erection, i would get easily winded and overheated from trying. When i did ejaculate, it was a dribble and actually hurt. Awesome!

I finally saw the light and went off VLC paleo diet and started eating a mix of Peat and Matt Stones RRARF diet. Saw mixed results but still improvement until i went full on Peat and currently Peat/vegetarian/VLF. Currently i have the best libido of my life, including teenage years. I can maintain a full erection and have full control over ejaculating. Loads are huge and strong, sensativity is at maximum, etc. the biggest difference though between now and low carb days is stamina without going limp. Sometimes it feels as though i took cialis.

Anyway, i think the biggest issue besides low test or a bad test to est balance is bad vascular flow caused by a high fat diet. I saw improvements in this area immediately after switching to a very low fat diet and losing 30-40lb helped even more. I think the cardio vascular inflammation and constriction that fat causes makes getting and maintaining erections very difficult. Also excess animal meat and inflammatory aminos dont help.

I find for optimal libido, my diet is close to a kitivin diet except with added dairy. Base is starch from sweet starchs like banana, sweet potato, squash, and then fruits, mainly tropical, citrus, pineapple, mango, guava. Then diary, mainly milk. The bottom of my diet is seafood and eggs rarely, occasional grains, beans, veggies, coconut products. I use a ton of sea salt, supplement with zinc, selenium, magnesium, a b complex and a tiny bit of t3 a day.


[....]

It took awhile until i saw noticable improvement. The best thing i ever did was go high carb no fat vegan for about a month. That cleared issues up really fast. Adding back in dairy and eggs didnt change anything so im pretty positive that animal flesh and fat was the culprit for me. Took about 2 years of messing with diet to get where i am now but if i knew then what i know now i think it would have taken a lot less time. Like i said, getting to under 10% bf helped a lot too.

An average day i dont eat until a few hours after waking. Ill usually have quite a bit of juice and some coffee in the morning. Around midday ill have some eggs and a quart of milk and maybe a starch or fruit. More juice during the afternoon and then another big meal around 7-9pm. Usually starch based, rice or potatoes with more ff dairy. Ill have a little snack of fruit or ice cream before bed. Average 3-4k calories. I also supplement with magnesium, zinc, selenium, b complex and creatine. A tiny bit of t3 daily also.
#23
(02-12-2017, 01:25 PM)Wagner83 Wrote:
Quote:My experience is similar others here. Im 31 now, starting focusing on health and diet around 24, found Paleo, got brainwashed and watched my health deteriorate for the next 6 years or so. At the lowest i had zero ability to orgasm and maintain an erection, i would get easily winded and overheated from trying. When i did ejaculate, it was a dribble and actually hurt. Awesome!

I finally saw the light and went off VLC paleo diet and started eating a mix of Peat and Matt Stones RRARF diet. Saw mixed results but still improvement until i went full on Peat and currently Peat/vegetarian/VLF. Currently i have the best libido of my life, including teenage years. I can maintain a full erection and have full control over ejaculating. Loads are huge and strong, sensativity is at maximum, etc. the biggest difference though between now and low carb days is stamina without going limp. Sometimes it feels as though i took cialis.

Anyway, i think the biggest issue besides low test or a bad test to est balance is bad vascular flow caused by a high fat diet. I saw improvements in this area immediately after switching to a very low fat diet and losing 30-40lb helped even more. I think the cardio vascular inflammation and constriction that fat causes makes getting and maintaining erections very difficult. Also excess animal meat and inflammatory aminos dont help.

I find for optimal libido, my diet is close to a kitivin diet except with added dairy. Base is starch from sweet starchs like banana, sweet potato, squash, and then fruits, mainly tropical, citrus, pineapple, mango, guava. Then diary, mainly milk. The bottom of my diet is seafood and eggs rarely, occasional grains, beans, veggies, coconut products. I use a ton of sea salt, supplement with zinc, selenium, magnesium, a b complex and a tiny bit of t3 a day.


[....]

It took awhile until i saw noticable improvement. The best thing i ever did was go high carb no fat vegan for about a month. That cleared issues up really fast. Adding back in dairy and eggs didnt change anything so im pretty positive that animal flesh and fat was the culprit for me. Took about 2 years of messing with diet to get where i am now but if i knew then what i know now i think it would have taken a lot less time. Like i said, getting to under 10% bf helped a lot too.

An average day i dont eat until a few hours after waking. Ill usually have quite a bit of juice and some coffee in the morning. Around midday ill have some eggs and a quart of milk and maybe a starch or fruit. More juice during the afternoon and then another big meal around 7-9pm. Usually starch based, rice or potatoes with more ff dairy. Ill have a little snack of fruit or ice cream before bed. Average 3-4k calories. I also supplement with magnesium, zinc, selenium, b complex and creatine. A tiny bit of t3 daily also.

Hi Zachs,

Would be very interested to hear how you are getting on. 
- Are you still eating/consuming large amounts of Saturated Fats/Milk combined with simple sugars etc? 
- As Wagner quotes from you above, your libido seemed to improve impressively with low fat. Has this changed in anyway as you continue on your higher fat journey?
#24
(12-04-2016, 07:08 PM)raypeatclips Wrote: Zachs - In your earlier posts you said you were going to talk about magnesium a bit more, and what you do for magnesium. Would you be able to tell us more? Thanks.

For one, i think almost everyone is deficient in magnesium and especially the ray peat crowd since magnesium competes with calcium and calcium will win if taken together.  When i was doing a very milk heavy diet i was not feeling very well with some heart issues and tightening of blood flow aamong other stuff.

Since supplementing mag every day around 400mg spread throughout the day, those issues dissapeared. 

Aso magnesium is needed for the gut to be healthy, i believe getting enougj mag will actually make you be able to tolerate foods you normally wouldnt be able to.  Grains for example.

Personally i think magnesium is the only real supplemment anyone should be taking on a daily basis. 400-800mg a day.  I take liquid ionic mag because i prefer liquid supps if ingested.
#25
(01-04-2017, 04:25 PM)9e10 Wrote: Hey @Zachs, during your Paleo days, did you develop intolerance to certain foods? For example, could you handle well dairy products and even gluten containing foods? Or any food not Paleo?

Also, how was your mental status? This is, did you have symptoms like brain fog, brain fatigue, ADHD, OCD, etc? Or was your mind always sharp even back then?

I didnt develope any intolerances during paleo, afterwords though my gut was destroyed and pretty much everything messed with me at one time or another.

Yes i diid develope very negative thinking patterns bordering on OCD.  Those completely changed when i truly was able to utilize carbs again.
#26
(01-17-2017, 07:05 AM)James IV Wrote: Really interesting to read this,as I have come to
many of the same conclusions as you. And oddly enough, our bodies look very similar, even down to the tattoos!
Quick question. When you say you fast, you
mean abstaining from solid food? Since sipping on cream and syrup would not be considered true fasting.

Hey James, good to see you over here.  I remember you being one of the few level headed, rational posters at rpf.

Yes, i dont really fast because i take in liquid calories or sugar.  I only truly fast from when i head to sleep to maybe 2 hours after i wake up at the most.  Otherwise im getting some sugar in for sure.
#27
(02-12-2017, 01:25 PM)Wagner83 Wrote:
(11-21-2016, 02:58 AM)Zachs Wrote: So quick back story, i lost about 45lbs in 4 months doing a zero fat diet.  i basically cleared pufa from my tissues and almost overnight raised metabolism.  after that i found Edwards blog and also read Westin Price book Nutrition and Physical Degeneration (a must read btw) and started an experiment of utilizing saturated fat as a main source of energy.  did that for a few months and liked it, gaining mass without fat gain.  but i did a few things wrong that i now see, mainly using too much coffee and chocolate, i am a slow metabolizer of stimulants.  after that i did another quick attempt at zero fat but i didnt enjoy it nearly as much, i dont feel it is an optimal diet at least for a lean person of northern european descent.

I have read some of your posts on the other forum, it sounds like you did very well on high carbs and starch very low fat diet, then out of the blue you decided to switch to a high fat / saturated fat diet (after all it's more appealing), and say you couldn't return to a no fat diet with a quick attempt. This all makes sense since the body will adapt to using fats as its main source of energy so you can't expect to do well on very low fat in a very short time frame.
Intermittent fasting  may decrease testosterone and t3(https://translational-medicine.biomedcen...016-1044-0), while skyrocketing growth hormone. The latter part could  explain the ease to build muscles however your way of doing IF may be different since you say you use some food  throughout the "fast" and report warm body temperature and decent pulse.
Pretty sure Ray has explained his views on the problems of burning fat as fuel (e.g. less Co2 is generated), of course that doesn't mean it shouldn't be followed, but he mentioned negative effects would mostly be felt after years. Similarly a lot of people seem to be doing great on IF at the start .

Here is a post you made on your first really successful diet (correct me if I'm wrong):
Quote:My experience is similar others here. Im 31 now, starting focusing on health and diet around 24, found Paleo, got brainwashed and watched my health deteriorate for the next 6 years or so. At the lowest i had zero ability to orgasm and maintain an erection, i would get easily winded and overheated from trying. When i did ejaculate, it was a dribble and actually hurt. Awesome!

I finally saw the light and went off VLC paleo diet and started eating a mix of Peat and Matt Stones RRARF diet. Saw mixed results but still improvement until i went full on Peat and currently Peat/vegetarian/VLF. Currently i have the best libido of my life, including teenage years. I can maintain a full erection and have full control over ejaculating. Loads are huge and strong, sensativity is at maximum, etc. the biggest difference though between now and low carb days is stamina without going limp. Sometimes it feels as though i took cialis.

Anyway, i think the biggest issue besides low test or a bad test to est balance is bad vascular flow caused by a high fat diet. I saw improvements in this area immediately after switching to a very low fat diet and losing 30-40lb helped even more. I think the cardio vascular inflammation and constriction that fat causes makes getting and maintaining erections very difficult. Also excess animal meat and inflammatory aminos dont help.

I find for optimal libido, my diet is close to a kitivin diet except with added dairy. Base is starch from sweet starchs like banana, sweet potato, squash, and then fruits, mainly tropical, citrus, pineapple, mango, guava. Then diary, mainly milk. The bottom of my diet is seafood and eggs rarely, occasional grains, beans, veggies, coconut products. I use a ton of sea salt, supplement with zinc, selenium, magnesium, a b complex and a tiny bit of t3 a day.


[....]

It took awhile until i saw noticable improvement. The best thing i ever did was go high carb no fat vegan for about a month. That cleared issues up really fast. Adding back in dairy and eggs didnt change anything so im pretty positive that animal flesh and fat was the culprit for me. Took about 2 years of messing with diet to get where i am now but if i knew then what i know now i think it would have taken a lot less time. Like i said, getting to under 10% bf helped a lot too.

An average day i dont eat until a few hours after waking. Ill usually have quite a bit of juice and some coffee in the morning. Around midday ill have some eggs and a quart of milk and maybe a starch or fruit. More juice during the afternoon and then another big meal around 7-9pm. Usually starch based, rice or potatoes with more ff dairy. Ill have a little snack of fruit or ice cream before bed. Average 3-4k calories. I also supplement with magnesium, zinc, selenium, b complex and creatine. A tiny bit of t3 daily also.

I dont think there is anything magical with my fasting, its just thay my body can regulate energy so efficiently now that a constent need of calories isnt necessary.  Also the body uses fat and sugar at all times, being a fat burner or sugar burner is a bunch of bull.  Its just how insulin sensitive or resistant you are.  My sensitivity is through the roof even now.  

And yes that my post, thanks for posting here. I wish i could get everything i wrote in one place.

Ill do a very summerized version from when my metabolism really took off.

Started 3-4k zero fat, high starch diet.

Dropped 40lbs in 4 months or so.  Literally melted off, metabolism improved greatly.

Got too skinny, people were commenting and i knew i had lost muscle as well.  Also gut issues with all the starch started.

Read Edwards blog, decided to try.  Round one of high sat fat, medium sugar was somewhat succesfull, except occasional heart issues.  I know now it was the chocolate and coffee.  

Did that for a few months with muscle improvement and no fat gain.  This was amazing since in the past i would have balloned on so many fat cals.

Decided to go back to high carb for vegatarian reasons (ethical).  This time it didnt work. Was always hungry, gut hated starch and fiber.

Went back to high fat but with emphasis on dairy, pork, eggs and sugar.  This worked perfect.

Currently still on this but now eat more lenient. I eat a good amount of wheat and some non peat stuff occasionally. I also drink quite a bit with no ill effects.  Still same size.  Im in a new metabolic set pointi think and can pretty much do what i like.
#28
(02-22-2017, 11:15 AM)jaywills Wrote:
(02-12-2017, 01:25 PM)Wagner83 Wrote:
Quote:My experience is similar others here. Im 31 now, starting focusing on health and diet around 24, found Paleo, got brainwashed and watched my health deteriorate for the next 6 years or so. At the lowest i had zero ability to orgasm and maintain an erection, i would get easily winded and overheated from trying. When i did ejaculate, it was a dribble and actually hurt. Awesome!

I finally saw the light and went off VLC paleo diet and started eating a mix of Peat and Matt Stones RRARF diet. Saw mixed results but still improvement until i went full on Peat and currently Peat/vegetarian/VLF. Currently i have the best libido of my life, including teenage years. I can maintain a full erection and have full control over ejaculating. Loads are huge and strong, sensativity is at maximum, etc. the biggest difference though between now and low carb days is stamina without going limp. Sometimes it feels as though i took cialis.

Anyway, i think the biggest issue besides low test or a bad test to est balance is bad vascular flow caused by a high fat diet. I saw improvements in this area immediately after switching to a very low fat diet and losing 30-40lb helped even more. I think the cardio vascular inflammation and constriction that fat causes makes getting and maintaining erections very difficult. Also excess animal meat and inflammatory aminos dont help.

I find for optimal libido, my diet is close to a kitivin diet except with added dairy. Base is starch from sweet starchs like banana, sweet potato, squash, and then fruits, mainly tropical, citrus, pineapple, mango, guava. Then diary, mainly milk. The bottom of my diet is seafood and eggs rarely, occasional grains, beans, veggies, coconut products. I use a ton of sea salt, supplement with zinc, selenium, magnesium, a b complex and a tiny bit of t3 a day.


[....]

It took awhile until i saw noticable improvement. The best thing i ever did was go high carb no fat vegan for about a month. That cleared issues up really fast. Adding back in dairy and eggs didnt change anything so im pretty positive that animal flesh and fat was the culprit for me. Took about 2 years of messing with diet to get where i am now but if i knew then what i know now i think it would have taken a lot less time. Like i said, getting to under 10% bf helped a lot too.

An average day i dont eat until a few hours after waking. Ill usually have quite a bit of juice and some coffee in the morning. Around midday ill have some eggs and a quart of milk and maybe a starch or fruit. More juice during the afternoon and then another big meal around 7-9pm. Usually starch based, rice or potatoes with more ff dairy. Ill have a little snack of fruit or ice cream before bed. Average 3-4k calories. I also supplement with magnesium, zinc, selenium, b complex and creatine. A tiny bit of t3 daily also.

Hi Zachs,

Would be very interested to hear how you are getting on. 
- Are you still eating/consuming large amounts of Saturated Fats/Milk combined with simple sugars etc? 
- As Wagner quotes from you above, your libido seemed to improve impressively with low fat. Has this changed in anyway as you continue on your higher fat journey?

I actually stopped drinking milk alltogether because it is too isotonic for me and i already drink around 60oz of OJ and some soda and cocktails daily.  Now my diet is a lot of cheese, 6-8oz daily, cream, butter, meat, eggs, bread, honey, maple syrup, juice, soda, oranges. Small amounts of veggies or other fruits, rice, or whatever, pizza or similar.  I really try to avoid oils, nightshades and fiber because those are the things that i can tell dont do me any favors.

Libido is at an all time high and has been for awhile.  I would say its optimal.  I used to think that fat in the blood stream impeded blood flow but now i think that that was inflammation causing restriction of blood flow.  Also might have something to do with the bodies ability to clear blood of fat and excess sugar.  Things have only gotten better with adding cholesterol and sat fat to my diet and upping sugar drastically.
#29
(02-24-2017, 03:06 AM)Zachs Wrote:
(02-22-2017, 11:15 AM)jaywills Wrote:
(02-12-2017, 01:25 PM)Wagner83 Wrote:
Quote:My experience is similar others here. Im 31 now, starting focusing on health and diet around 24, found Paleo, got brainwashed and watched my health deteriorate for the next 6 years or so. At the lowest i had zero ability to orgasm and maintain an erection, i would get easily winded and overheated from trying. When i did ejaculate, it was a dribble and actually hurt. Awesome!

I finally saw the light and went off VLC paleo diet and started eating a mix of Peat and Matt Stones RRARF diet. Saw mixed results but still improvement until i went full on Peat and currently Peat/vegetarian/VLF. Currently i have the best libido of my life, including teenage years. I can maintain a full erection and have full control over ejaculating. Loads are huge and strong, sensativity is at maximum, etc. the biggest difference though between now and low carb days is stamina without going limp. Sometimes it feels as though i took cialis.

Anyway, i think the biggest issue besides low test or a bad test to est balance is bad vascular flow caused by a high fat diet. I saw improvements in this area immediately after switching to a very low fat diet and losing 30-40lb helped even more. I think the cardio vascular inflammation and constriction that fat causes makes getting and maintaining erections very difficult. Also excess animal meat and inflammatory aminos dont help.

I find for optimal libido, my diet is close to a kitivin diet except with added dairy. Base is starch from sweet starchs like banana, sweet potato, squash, and then fruits, mainly tropical, citrus, pineapple, mango, guava. Then diary, mainly milk. The bottom of my diet is seafood and eggs rarely, occasional grains, beans, veggies, coconut products. I use a ton of sea salt, supplement with zinc, selenium, magnesium, a b complex and a tiny bit of t3 a day.


[....]

It took awhile until i saw noticable improvement. The best thing i ever did was go high carb no fat vegan for about a month. That cleared issues up really fast. Adding back in dairy and eggs didnt change anything so im pretty positive that animal flesh and fat was the culprit for me. Took about 2 years of messing with diet to get where i am now but if i knew then what i know now i think it would have taken a lot less time. Like i said, getting to under 10% bf helped a lot too.

An average day i dont eat until a few hours after waking. Ill usually have quite a bit of juice and some coffee in the morning. Around midday ill have some eggs and a quart of milk and maybe a starch or fruit. More juice during the afternoon and then another big meal around 7-9pm. Usually starch based, rice or potatoes with more ff dairy. Ill have a little snack of fruit or ice cream before bed. Average 3-4k calories. I also supplement with magnesium, zinc, selenium, b complex and creatine. A tiny bit of t3 daily also.

Hi Zachs,

Would be very interested to hear how you are getting on. 
- Are you still eating/consuming large amounts of Saturated Fats/Milk combined with simple sugars etc? 
- As Wagner quotes from you above, your libido seemed to improve impressively with low fat. Has this changed in anyway as you continue on your higher fat journey?

I actually stopped drinking milk alltogether because it is too isotonic for me and i already drink around 60oz of OJ and some soda and cocktails daily.  Now my diet is a lot of cheese, 6-8oz daily, cream, butter, meat, eggs, bread, honey, maple syrup, juice, soda, oranges. Small amounts of veggies or other fruits, rice, or whatever, pizza or similar.  I really try to avoid oils, nightshades and fiber because those are the things that i can tell dont do me any favors.

Libido is at an all time high and has been for awhile.  I would say its optimal.  I used to think that fat in the blood stream impeded blood flow but now i think that that was inflammation causing restriction of blood flow.  Also might have something to do with the bodies ability to clear blood of fat and excess sugar.  Things have only gotten better with adding cholesterol and sat fat to my diet and upping sugar drastically.

I appreciate you getting back to me here Zachs and am pleased that it is working for you.
Rather interesting you've combined a Ray Peat/ Edward spin on things; sugar and sat fat which is kind of contradictory to both.
Your metabolism must really be working optimally, and its nice to see that youve been able to expand your diet to foods that are often seen as 'sub-optimal';  bread, pizza to name a few.  Sounds as if they are problematic for those with lower metabolisms but once you get to a higher state you can handle and process them efficiently.
I feel amazing when fibre, starch and nightshades are kept low too - my digestion really suffers when these are included in the diet, even if it is from root vegetables or select sources like white rice.
At the moment Ive implemented a similar strategy to yours; im pounding fruit/ sugar in the morning and keeping fat/protein low (this should help with insulin sensitivity). Its essentiaslly the principles of Food Combining. Later in the day I include protein and fats (they seem to digest best with each other) starting from late lunch to evening. This works well whilst my digestion is compromised. 
- Really struggling to increase my temps mind you - what do you believe is key in doing this? 
- Are you also still drinking Coffee? - what are your thoughts on caffeine?
#30
Hey Jay, i think having high temps is a few factors. A constant supply of sugar, plenty of calories (staying anabolic), keeping stress factors low, especially endotoxin. Endotoxin seems to spike adrenalin like nothing else and will make the body temp drop drastically.

As for your food combining, that sounds like a pretty good plan but remember that protein spikes insulin but doesnt supply sugar so a high protein and fat meal will drain glycogen stores and trigger stress hormones. Be sure to always take in a good amount of sugar with any protein meal.

No i dont drink coffee. I have tried to implement it many times over the years but i have never had a positive experience, same with cocoa. I think it might have to do with the fact that im a slow metabolizer of stimulants. But drinking bean water never seemed like a good idea to me, its so bitter. Its hard to argue with all the positive studies of caffeine but it just doesnt do anything positive for me. The same goes for aspirin, and a lot of other things people get benefits from. I have had the best results from food and stress reduction. Right now the only supps i take are mag, vit e, vit k and small amounts of progest-e.
  
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